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Average amount of Days for SGT to Top Pay:

Most 2-3 Year Sgt: 1450-1825 Days

Me: Over 1800 Days

Rookie Sgt: Tomorrow

SBA Board Members:"Blame everyone else but us, the City created this Problem, but we WILL make sure we get compensated for 12-Hr tours"

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The SBA is constantly striking out and blaming the umpire. When in fact, they suck and cant hit. Dont worry, Im sure in addition to providing a few glizzys, Vinny and the boys will provide some actionable info at the picnic.
We wont have anything of substance till October. The SBA takes off for their summer soirée. The board loves to dress up and enjoy a few co*cktails on our dime. Dont bother writing them because they wont respond. Just call, but again be mindful of lunch time hours.

Fraternally,

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The SBA is constantly striking out and blaming the umpire. When in fact, they suck and cant hit. Dont worry, Im sure in addition to providing a few glizzys, Vinny and the boys will provide some actionable info at the picnic.
We wont have anything of substance till October. The SBA takes off for their summer soirée. The board loves to dress up and enjoy a few co*cktails on our dime. Dont bother writing them because they wont respond. Just call, but again be mindful of lunch time hours.

Fraternally,

Unc

Im beginning to think youre Vinny. You bash them but just enough to take us off your scent. Look Vinny, sign the contract and stop with the nonsense. We are poor

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Dear Uncle should have glizzy gobbler Vins job and pinkie ring.

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SBA is the most pathetic union. I cant wait to promotion.

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SBA is the most pathetic union. I cant wait to promotion.

I agree!

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Complain all you want, but no other union has offered me discounted Hershey Park tickets. The resale value alone more than makes up for any pay disparity that we face. Thanks, Vinny!

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How much is the S.I. toll again

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Prolly more than the two glizzys and caprisun you will get at the picnic cost at BJs. Glad picnic is in SI, clearly the most convenient borough for all the membership

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I hope everyone here attends the highly anticipated family picnic

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I hope everyone here attends the highly anticipated family picnic

1- I cant afford the tolls.
2- Theres never a reason to go to Staten Island unless its to visit family or a funeral.

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Question about the 1 vacation day donation program:

Since the SBA has become a breading ground for corruption, selfishness, misinformation, and general subterfuge, how do I remove myself from this program? I dont want to support a union that doesnt support me.

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You are supporting any Sgt that has a dire emergency. Has nothing to do with the union. Its one day, one time.

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Imagine having a picnic while over 1000 of your fellow union members have been stuck being undercompensated and humiliated for a year or more- without even acknowledging the situation with a cursory update email. The attitude and lack of f***s given is what gets me.

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Whats next from the SBA? Theyre gonna endorse Biden? Trash Union.

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Imagine having a picnic while over 1000 of your fellow union members have been stuck being undercompensated and humiliated for a year or more- without even acknowledging the situation with a cursory update email. The attitude and lack of f***s given is what gets me.

I cant believe that ....... Vinnie Vallelong and his second in command Smalls didnt show up to the picnic. There was no update provided today. SBA is now off for the rest of the summer, next meeting is in mid September. Probably wont even speak with the city again until end of September/early October.

-- Edited by nycop80 on Saturday 29th of June 2024 12:52:23 PM

-- Edited by NYM on Saturday 29th of June 2024 01:34:28 PM

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Im going to take a look at the Bylaws- Id like to see exactly what can be done by the constituency. Theres no way 3000-4000 angry union members can not change the current state. I promise we wont let them take the summer off; these con artists are not 3rd grade school teachers. Who TF takes the summer off- once I look at the Bylaws, well get some type recourse. Uncle- lets get this done.

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Just remember this f*cking ..... Vinnie Vallelong gets 60% of top pay sergeant salary per month just to be president. His second in command Edmund Small gets 40% of top pay sergeant salary per month to sit on their ass and do nothing. The entire board does nothing except report to the union everyday. They can't even properly negotiate a contract or even give us a proper update on what is going on. It is shameful that Vallelong or Small don't show up to the last meeting before summer starts and give us one last update. Oh and I forgot that they also get to take the summer off while we are all busting our ass.

The Board of Officers as designated under Article IV of the Constitution are
authorized annual fiscal expenses which shall be paid monthly, within the
following allowance:
Office Top Grade Sergeant's Salary

President 60% - Vincent Vallelong
Vice President 40% - Edmund Smalls
Treasurer 20% - Edward Geary
Recording Secretary 20% - Michael Peruggia
Financial Secretary 20% - Anthony Borelli
Health & Welfare Secretary 20% - Donald Kipp
City-Wide Secretary 20% - Vacant
Directors $600.00 per month
Marshal $600.00 per month
Sergeant At Arms $600.00 per month

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Vinnie was never a real cop or sergeant.I dont give a f*ck if we get a great contract tomorrow.Vinnie needs to goUnc got my vote

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You guys are funny. What exactly do you want union to do??? The city has made it very clear that they rather jump everyone to top pay instead of fixing the disparity. The city needs union to agree to 12 hour tours. While there are some stuck in the steps, it would be stupid to settle a contract now.

Don't forget that it's your coworkers who voted the contract in, and they will all sell you out again for a retro check.

Instead of name calling, can anyone propose a solution? The city knows very well that we don't stick together, hence the 70%+ yes vote for the last horrible contract.

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You guys are funny. What exactly do you want union to do??? The city has made it very clear that they rather jump everyone to top pay instead of fixing the disparity. The city needs union to agree to 12 hour tours. While there are some stuck in the steps, it would be stupid to settle a contract now.

Don't forget that it's your coworkers who voted the contract in, and they will all sell you out again for a retro check.

Instead of name calling, can anyone propose a solution? The city knows very well that we don't stick together, hence the 70%+ yes vote for the last horrible contract.

Bump everyone not at Top Pay to Top Pay in exchange for agreeing to 12 Hour Tours.. Sounds like an easy fix.

Matter of fact SBA should send out a survey so the membership can vote on this, Guarantee you more than 70% of the rank will agree to that especially if there is retro involved.

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Expressing your opinion is fine, but i remind you of

1) No personal attacks, name-calling or threats against other users or individuals; no libelous, harassing or abusive statements; no submission of personal information or likenesses of other persons without their consent; no stalking.

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Taketheday wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:

You guys are funny. What exactly do you want union to do??? The city has made it very clear that they rather jump everyone to top pay instead of fixing the disparity. The city needs union to agree to 12 hour tours. While there are some stuck in the steps, it would be stupid to settle a contract now.

Don't forget that it's your coworkers who voted the contract in, and they will all sell you out again for a retro check.

Instead of name calling, can anyone propose a solution? The city knows very well that we don't stick together, hence the 70%+ yes vote for the last horrible contract.

Bump everyone not at Top Pay to Top Pay in exchange for agreeing to 12 Hour Tours.. Sounds like an easy fix.

Matter of fact SBA should send out a survey so the membership can vote on this, Guarantee you more than 70% of the rank will agree to that especially if there is retro involved.

Theres only several hundred who are stuck in limbo and will be top pay within the year. Agreeing to 12 hour tours to please a couple hundred people makes absolutely no sense and very short sided. Dont forget that thousands of sgts went through the normal steps and waited years to get top pay. Absolutely no one feels bad if you are stuck at step 5 for 5 years trust me.

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So put it to a vote then, let the membership decide then. Thats what the function of the union is supposed to be speaking on what their members want not deciding for them.
Because I can guarantee you that if they do not fix it some will file a lawsuit and see if there is a legal recourse which there may or may not be. But if there is then it just shows how useless the Union really is. Just like the Covid Vaccine mandates it took a cop filing a lawsuit on his own to fix it while
The union stood by

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NauseousPBBN wrote:

You guys are funny. What exactly do you want union to do??? The city has made it very clear that they rather jump everyone to top pay instead of fixing the disparity. The city needs union to agree to 12 hour tours. While there are some stuck in the steps, it would be stupid to settle a contract now.

Don't forget that it's your coworkers who voted the contract in, and they will all sell you out again for a retro check.

Instead of name calling, can anyone propose a solution? The city knows very well that we don't stick together, hence the 70%+ yes vote for the last horrible contract.

How about giving us monthly contract updates? Is that so hard? What is the city offering? We are told nothing, now we wont hear anything for at least 2-3 months. How do you have your last contract update before you take off for the summer and your President and Vice President cant even show up to give an update? They cant even blast out an email to us? Thats what I want the union to do. Vinnie makes 60% of a top pay sergeant salary to negotiate this contract and he cant even do it correctly. Oh I forgot do I have to remind you that Vallelong, Smalls and the rest of the board let a con artist steal money from OUR union?

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So what is your solution then NauseousPBBN? I am stuck at 97k, if I go to top pay before this contract is settled what is my retro? I am only 4 years to top pay, anyone promoted from October 2021 and prior is 4 years to top pay. Still have a year and 4 months before all 4 year top pay people reach top pay. So I hit top pay and then what? Starting August 2023, I was making less than a cop. There is no step that the City and union can put me on, my next step is step 4 which is top pay. So how do you fix it? Do we just start making up steps?

The only solution is that everyone needs to be brought up to top pay and top pay would have to be the new base going forward. The last two meetings they explicitly stated that it was the compression issues that have been holding up the contract. I have heard no mention of 12 hour tours from the SBA in months. They are withholding information from us and could be bargaining in bad faith. I have no idea what is really being offered and what the SBA has really offered and no one else does unless you are one of the 7 members on the board.

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I watched Biden at the debate and was struck by some similarities between him and Vallelong. We dont see Vinny anywhere, he doesnt attend functions, hold press conferences, or visit commands. He's written only one op-ed, and that was in response to a false accusation from the Daily News about an investigation by the Southern District. There's a reason he doesnt make public appearances.I sincerely thinks he runs the show like hes a mob boss.

This is not the time to sit idly by while a quarter of the membership is severely mistreated. It's malfeasance by the entire board. They love to trot out the VP, but hes just a a cigar store Indian. Vinny still upholds the "omertà" code of silence. Someone needs to inform him and the board that the numbers are set by the city because they joined the bargaining coalition. Theyre arguing over wash-up time and trying to slip something past them. Im really not sure what law firm they use but Im convinced they are actually working for the city and just tricking poor Vinny. I'm completely embarrassed by those who represent us.

A labor attorney needs to examine the bylaws to see if they can be challenged. Most of these guys have been on the board for decades. If they just found out that the compression issues were a problem now, good grief.

I believe its time to challenge the SBA. I promise, it cant get any worse.

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What did the city offer that was so terrible that PERB had to be threatened? Or is the PERB threat off the menu now? Minimal communication for people working "the toughest job in the world."

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Food for thought for those stuck at 97k. If you were to demote yourself, wait a month for the next promo, tell uniformed promotions that You changed your mind and would like to be promoted back to sergeant, you would then be promoted at the new top pay rate right now. If anyone thinks Im wrong, tell me why.

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In BMOC we were told by a Chief that you only have 1 year to demote yourself. After that you cant.

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Im curious, has anyone here been jammed up and had to deal with their trustee ? How were they ? Did they stay in contact with you through out the modification? Friend is modified and he hasnt heard from his delegate or trustee in like 2 months

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So put it to a vote then, let the membership decide then. Thats what the function of the union is supposed to be speaking on what their members want not deciding for them.
Because I can guarantee you that if they do not fix it some will file a lawsuit and see if there is a legal recourse which there may or may not be. But if there is then it just shows how useless the Union really is. Just like the Covid Vaccine mandates it took a cop filing a lawsuit on his own to fix it while
The union stood by

-- Edited by Taketheday on Saturday 29th of June 2024 01:34:40 PM

If a lawsuit couldve been dropped, the union wouldve done so already. There is absolutely nothing on paper that would force City to fix the disparity. SBA put themselves in this situation by settling before PBA. And we voted it in.

Dont for one second think I am in anyway whatsoever for the union, I despise them like everyone else.

All I am saying is given all the facts we have, the only hand to play right now is to use the 12 hour tours as a leverage to get some type of resolution.

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Thanks Vinny. Glad youre here to shed your light upon us (Im jk) Take the 12 hours & lets move.

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NauseousPBBN wrote:
Taketheday wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:

You guys are funny. What exactly do you want union to do??? The city has made it very clear that they rather jump everyone to top pay instead of fixing the disparity. The city needs union to agree to 12 hour tours. While there are some stuck in the steps, it would be stupid to settle a contract now.

Don't forget that it's your coworkers who voted the contract in, and they will all sell you out again for a retro check.

Instead of name calling, can anyone propose a solution? The city knows very well that we don't stick together, hence the 70%+ yes vote for the last horrible contract.

Bump everyone not at Top Pay to Top Pay in exchange for agreeing to 12 Hour Tours.. Sounds like an easy fix.

Matter of fact SBA should send out a survey so the membership can vote on this, Guarantee you more than 70% of the rank will agree to that especially if there is retro involved.

Theres only several hundred who are stuck in limbo and will be top pay within the year. Agreeing to 12 hour tours to please a couple hundred people makes absolutely no sense and very short sided. Dont forget that thousands of sgts went through the normal steps and waited years to get top pay. Absolutely no one feels bad if you are stuck at step 5 for 5 years trust me.

You realize every rank below sergeant makes more than a step 5 sergeant, right?

In another month top pay cops will make 4k more than a step 5 sergeant.

Unless you're a top pay sergeant right now literally everyone in EVERY RANK - makes more than you. And the step 1-4 sergeants (1-3 old contract) are still getting less than 6 figures base pay to supervise cops at soon to be 109kBASE PAY and detectives at 112k BASE PAY. What are you drinking the kool aid?

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I wonder how this new 112 billion dollar budget that was just passed will effect contract negotiations??

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NauseousPBBN wrote:
Taketheday wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:

You guys are funny. What exactly do you want union to do??? The city has made it very clear that they rather jump everyone to top pay instead of fixing the disparity. The city needs union to agree to 12 hour tours. While there are some stuck in the steps, it would be stupid to settle a contract now.

Don't forget that it's your coworkers who voted the contract in, and they will all sell you out again for a retro check.

Instead of name calling, can anyone propose a solution? The city knows very well that we don't stick together, hence the 70%+ yes vote for the last horrible contract.

Bump everyone not at Top Pay to Top Pay in exchange for agreeing to 12 Hour Tours.. Sounds like an easy fix.

Matter of fact SBA should send out a survey so the membership can vote on this, Guarantee you more than 70% of the rank will agree to that especially if there is retro involved.

Theres only several hundred who are stuck in limbo and will be top pay within the year. Agreeing to 12 hour tours to please a couple hundred people makes absolutely no sense and very short sided. Dont forget that thousands of sgts went through the normal steps and waited years to get top pay. Absolutely no one feels bad if you are stuck at step 5 for 5 years trust me.

There are over 1,200 Sgts making less than the cops that they currently supervise. The union has made it very clearly that any settlement on the pay disparity will NOT include retro for the pay disparity, only retro for the agreed annual raises. So this union NEEDs to settle RIGHT NOW to please the 1,200 Sgts in this pay disparity. Because every day that passes is more money lost.

Vinny went to the BMOCs after settling the last horrible contract and basically said to all the new 5 year top Sgts, sorry we sold you out but you were not union members yet and I have to worry about my union members. How about now Vinny? Now youre selling out your currnet members. Lying scum.

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sector7 wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:
Taketheday wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:

You guys are funny. What exactly do you want union to do??? The city has made it very clear that they rather jump everyone to top pay instead of fixing the disparity. The city needs union to agree to 12 hour tours. While there are some stuck in the steps, it would be stupid to settle a contract now.

Don't forget that it's your coworkers who voted the contract in, and they will all sell you out again for a retro check.

Instead of name calling, can anyone propose a solution? The city knows very well that we don't stick together, hence the 70%+ yes vote for the last horrible contract.

Bump everyone not at Top Pay to Top Pay in exchange for agreeing to 12 Hour Tours.. Sounds like an easy fix.

Matter of fact SBA should send out a survey so the membership can vote on this, Guarantee you more than 70% of the rank will agree to that especially if there is retro involved.

Theres only several hundred who are stuck in limbo and will be top pay within the year. Agreeing to 12 hour tours to please a couple hundred people makes absolutely no sense and very short sided. Dont forget that thousands of sgts went through the normal steps and waited years to get top pay. Absolutely no one feels bad if you are stuck at step 5 for 5 years trust me.

There are over 1,200 Sgts making less than the cops that they currently supervise. The union has made it very clearly that any settlement on the pay disparity will NOT include retro for the pay disparity, only retro for the agreed annual raises. So this union NEEDs to settle RIGHT NOW to please the 1,200 Sgts in this pay disparity. Because every day that passes is more money lost.

Vinny went to the BMOCs after settling the last horrible contract and basically said to all the new 5 year top Sgts, sorry we sold you out but you were not union members yet and I have to worry about my union members. How about now Vinny? Now youre selling out your currnet members. Lying scum.

Yep, he said that exactly. Totally flip-flopping, whatever suits him and his team. All the SBA members said the same thing for that 1st 200+ Sgt BMOC after that HORRIBLE contract they all agreed to. (Lmao) Basically shrugged off the extra year to Top Pay as it was nothing. Now they played "fair" with the city and agreed to the pattern and locked in these pathetic "raises" that still puts us below a fair wage. Who's fault is that? Who agreed to the pattern? I remember, March 2023 after a SBA meeting, one of the Sgt delegate notes said " We are in talks with the city and should have an agreed contract in 60 days". That was literally over 400 days ago, with 0 Progress. I have all the delegate notes, just stating lies after lies. You sold out all 1200 current members again after giving them an extra year to top pay. But no, 12-Hr tours is just as important, right? Never once put out a survey with a public vew of the results, let us decide, not just you. Its a "Union", right? Looking forward to seeing the city proposal in September.

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Everyone posting should copy paste what you are writing here and email it out to all the clowns in charge at SBA.

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When SBA says the cities proposal aren't the percentages already set? Its the same percentages as every other PD union got. What exactly is the SBA fighting for ? The percentages are there and they are probably not going any higher as the PBA,DEA,LBA,CEA have already agreed upon their contract and those numbers.

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Theyre buying time to build their votes for the next election. Scum union. They think were stupid. And theyll read this and laugh.

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TransitCop wrote:

Everyone posting should copy paste what you are writing here and email it out to all the clowns in charge at SBA.

THIS!!

SBA emails:

vvallelong@sbanyc.org

esmall@sbanyc.org

egeary@sbanyc.org

MPeruggia@sbanyc.org

ABorelli@sbanyc.org

dkipp@sbanyc.org

jcollins@sbanyc.org

wmorrissey@sbanyc.org

sba@sbanyc.org

healthandwelfare@sbanyc.org

mamundsen@sbanyc.org

acosme@sbanyc.org

vcosme@sbanyc.org

bmvillaruel@sbanyc.org

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rmladinich@sbanyc.org

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SBA Bylaws

ARTICLE I ORDER OF BUSINESS

a) Call to order
b) Opening prayer and Pledge of Allegiance
c) Reading of communications and minutes of last meeting
d) Introduction of new delegates
e) President's Report
f) Report of committees
g) Unfinished business
h) New business
i) Nominations for elective office
j) Adjournment

ARTICLE II MEETINGS

Section 1 Quorum

Regular or Special meetings of this Association scheduled to be held shall
not be called to order until at least 50% of certified delegates or their
alternates are present, which shall constitute a quorum.

Section 2 Monthly Meetings

a) Delegate meetings of the Association shall be held each month with
the exception of the July and August meeting, which may be held
simultaneously with any other meeting. Meetings are open to all
active and retired members and guests designated by the President.

Section 3 Meeting Changes

The President may change the regular monthly meeting day for reasonable
cause, directing the Recording Secretary to notify the membership of said
change.

Section 4 Special Meetings

a) Special meetings may be called by the President whenever he/she
deems it to be in the best interests of the Association.
b) Fifty (50) delegates may petition the President to call a Special
meeting, in writing, signed, stating the specific subject matter for
discussion.
c) President shall direct the Recording Secretary to provide special notice
prior to the meeting.
d) The only business that shall be transacted at a Special meeting is that
subject matter for which the meeting has been called.

Section 5 Debate

a) The right to propose, debate, or vote on any matter to be and/or
submitted to this Association shall be reserved to delegates, or in the
delegates absence the alternate delegate.
b) In order to encourage the free and open exchange of diverse ideas and
to promote unrestrained expression of opinion in accordance with the
democratic process, the confidentiality of all meetings shall be
preserved. Accordingly the utilization of any recording device is
prohibited, and the integrity of all meetings is to be safeguarded as
required.

Section 6 Suspension - Cancellation During a Meeting

The delegates shall have the power provided by a two thirds vote of those
delegates present at a meeting to enable the President to suspend or cancel
the meeting, and/or conduct special business at the meeting.

ARTICLE III ADMISSIONS AND REINSTATEMENTS

Section 1 Application For Membership

An active Sergeant of the Police Department - City of New York may make
application of membership in the Association, subject to provisions in the
Constitution & By-Laws.

ARTICLE IV DUES

Section 1 Active Member

Upon SBA's receipt of negotiated salary increases, dues shall rise at the rate
of $0.70 per pay period for each $1,000 of such salary increases, and pro
rata for fractional amounts. The amount deducted includes members' basic
dues, the premium for enrollment in the SBA Life Insurance Program, Legal
Services, Political Action Fund and the Police Relief Fund.

Section 2 Lifetime Membership - Dues

a) The dues for Lifetime membership shall be a onetime payment of
$600.00 payable within 90 days of retirement. Additionally, retired
member dues shall increase by fifty percent (50%) of the annual
active dues increase. If payment is not made within the prescribed
time frame, the member will be designated a NON member of the
Association and may be ineligible for readmission. Retired Transit
Police and Housing Police sergeants are considered Lifetime Members
and will receive benefits with the exception of the Mortuary Benefit.

Section 3 Payments, Waiver, Responsibility

a) Dues shall be paid to the Association under bi-weekly payroll dues
check-off deduction.
b) The payment of dues shall be waived for active members who are
suspended from duty with the Police Department. They shall continue
to receive complete benefits of membership. This waiving of dues shall
cease upon their restoration to duty and/or their separation from the
Police Department.
c) The payment of full dues shall be waived for active members who are
activated into the Armed Forces. The waiver of dues shall cease upon
their restoration to the Police Department.

ARTICLE V FISCAL EXPENSES

Section 1 Board of Officers

The Board of Officers as designated under Article IV of the Constitution are
authorized annual fiscal expenses which shall be paid monthly, within the
following allowance:
Office Top Grade Sergeant's Salary
President 60%
Vice President 40%
Treasurer 20%
Recording Secretary 20%
Financial Secretary 20%
Health & Welfare Secretary 20%
City-Wide Secretary 20%
Directors $600.00 per month
Marshal $600.00 per month
Sergeant At Arms $600.00 per month

Section 2 Delegates

a) A Delegate's monthly Fiscal Expense shall be $120.00 per month.
b) The Directors shall be responsible for the distribution of this expense,
which will be issued semi-annually, at the June meeting and the
December meeting.
c) Delegates monthly fiscal expenses shall be approved by their director
in accordance with Delegate responsibilities as prescribed in Article
VIII Section 2 of the Constitution.

Section 3 Amendments to Fiscal Expenses

No amendments to the authorized fiscal expenses set forth in Section 1
above may be proposed unless such amendment by its terms shall not be
effective until after the next succeeding election of officers pursuant to
Article V of the Constitution.

ARTICLE VI COMMUNICATIONS

Correspondence relating to the official policy and business of this Association
shall be written on official stationery, and shall be signed by the President or
an individual authorized by the President. This Article does not preclude an
officer from conducting business within the scope of his office under the
Constitution & By-Laws.

ARTICLE VII PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE

All questions of parliamentary law and questions not governed by this
Constitution & By-Laws shall be governed by Robert's Rules of Order, Newly
Revised. Any member shall have the right to appeal the decision of the
presiding officer to the delegate body at a meeting, and a majority vote shall
prevail.

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Here is where due diligence needs to happen:

ARTICLE VII

All questions of parliamentary law and questions not governed by this
Constitution & By-Laws shall be governed by Robert's Rules of Order, Newly
Revised.

Any member shall have the right to appeal the decision of the
presiding officer to the delegate body at a meeting, and a majority vote shall
prevail.

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Everyone keeps talking about the percentages of raises for each year. This only pertains to the top pay people would get raised, not the steps. Each step can be moved to a new amount based on the rank below you is. My suspicion is they are waiting till after August where cops get the bump to 109. Sergeants below that would be placed at their new next step which one would hope to be at least a dollar more AT LEAST. Dont get hung up on their proposed percentages. I have a suspicion that every one will get a modified step. This would save the city from promoting everyone right to top pay and do the right thing for the rank. We are not all going to top pay. I wish, but the union hates us and the city even more. Furthermore the union having the summer off from negotiations is abhorrent. What gives them the right to have anything off. What exactly have they done to deserve time off.

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The raises apply to all steps regardless of when you were promoted. The PO raise in August will create an issue again with disparity. The SBA raise in December would make step 1 Sgt more than a PO.

-- Edited by NauseousPBBN on Thursday 4th of July 2024 05:28:26 AM

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Order66 wrote:

Everyone keeps talking about the percentages of raises for each year. This only pertains to the top pay people would get raised, not the steps. Each step can be moved to a new amount based on the rank below you is. My suspicion is they are waiting till after August where cops get the bump to 109. Sergeants below that would be placed at their new next step which one would hope to be at least a dollar more AT LEAST. Dont get hung up on their proposed percentages. I have a suspicion that every one will get a modified step. This would save the city from promoting everyone right to top pay and do the right thing for the rank. We are not all going to top pay. I wish, but the union hates us and the city even more. Furthermore the union having the summer off from negotiations is abhorrent. What gives them the right to have anything off. What exactly have they done to deserve time off.

I always thought that was funny with the unions. They act like teachers demanding the summer off. Like we dont have to work during the busiest and most violent months. They forgot what it is to be a front line supervisor. Taking the summer off, what a joke. I cant wait till the next election, keep holding back our money Vinny and we will hold back yours when it comes to the next election

-- Edited by sector7 on Thursday 4th of July 2024 02:08:59 AM

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Here's a good one to stir the pot more:

Your uniform allowance is completely forfeit if you are not on active duty on October 31st of that year. Just that one day. You could work the whole year, start an unpaid childcare leave or military leave on oct 30th and you are SOL. The union keeps the cash. You get nothing, not even a percentage.

This is by far the dumbest union on this job and could probably compete for top 10 dumbest in the USA. Imagine selling out your new bosses for literally no gain right before the PBA settles one of the best contracts of its time. I'm not even in that group, but the idiocy is too much for me, there's no doubt in my mind that Mullins & Co. were bribed.

Here's a thought: why even be in the union? You're still going to benefit from the raises. You could probably use your monthly dues to buy better dental insurance. The Davisvision benefit is bullsh*t. Has your union delegate actually ever done anything for you? If I were sued or brought up on charges I would 100% hire a legit lawyer instead of some SBA hack (and would still do so even though I'm in the union). Outside of the PBA, do the supervisor unions really have any power?

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fiftyfouredp wrote:

Here's a good one to stir the pot more:

Your uniform allowance is completely forfeit if you are not on active duty on October 31st of that year. Just that one day. You could work the whole year, start an unpaid childcare leave or military leave on oct 30th and you are SOL. The union keeps the cash. You get nothing, not even a percentage.

This is by far the dumbest union on this job and could probably compete for top 10 dumbest in the USA. Imagine selling out your new bosses for literally no gain right before the PBA settles one of the best contracts of its time. I'm not even in that group, but the idiocy is too much for me, there's no doubt in my mind that Mullins & Co. were bribed.

Here's a thought: why even be in the union? You're still going to benefit from the raises. You could probably use your monthly dues to buy better dental insurance. The Davisvision benefit is bullsh*t. Has your union delegate actually ever done anything for you? If I were sued or brought up on charges I would 100% hire a legit lawyer instead of some SBA hack (and would still do so even though I'm in the union). Outside of the PBA, do the supervisor unions really have any power?

Horrible advise you need the SBA lawyers. Overzealous CCRB and every protester in the city is ready you take you to court, lawyers are well worth it. Yeah dental blows but dont leave yourself open. In the event of criminal charges youll get your own private lawyer but most of it is ccrb and civil. As far as a union getting a good contract, yes they suck Smh

-- Edited by Leslie on Friday 5th of July 2024 05:55:57 AM

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The country music awards were last night, and it was a good night for Billy Ray Cyrushe found a 5 dollar bill in the back of a taxi cab. Oof, maron.

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Im glad the SBA took the summer off for all their hard work, well deserved. Not like the rest of the union is working doubles and triples during the summer! Anyone else averaging 30 hours of week? Glad my OT rate is less than a PPO with prior city time!

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